Q. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. Diane Downs is guilty beyond any doubt and I do not believe that her daughter was coached. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. Evidence from a ballistics expert. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. Diane Downs' ex husband, Steve Downs, lost a lot in May 1983 when his ex wife shot their three children, following their divorce in 1980. Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? My website is in the process of being migrated so it has no photos. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. It is called a conflict of interest. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. A. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. A number of them were clearly . It was not unlike brainwashing. Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with. Basically then at that Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. There are many cases where investigators jump to conclusions either because in their gut they think they know or pressure to make an arrestand i guess with all the attention this case got they gave their gut and the public what they wanted. Below this letter see links to Salem-News.com articles about the questionable conviction of Diane Downs. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? Steve knew Danny was not his biological child and left Downs. I didnt know that. Everyone deserves peace. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. It was a dark and rural road. 4. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? Same with her brother. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. According to your own experience Lori, dont they try to give grandparents custody or at least access in cases comparable to this one? I watched the highlights of her hearing. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. Steve Downes has voiced the Master Chief in the Halo games since his 2001 debut, and his voice has become synonymous with the character.However, despite Jen Taylor being asked to reprise her role as the . Its a dangerous proposition when a lack of due process becomes acceptable because they know she is guilty. Barry Sheck and bis crew of investigators should get involved. It sounds pretty fair to me. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. Would you seriously be confident enough to present your findings you mention in your article to Diane Downs children? The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. May be the guy who says he did it. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. In what world is that O.K. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. The photo of Hugi I used is the one you find when you do a search online for Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. Any thoughts on that? When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts For the upcoming Halo TV show, original Master Chief voice actor Steve Downes was recast, despite Cortana voice actor Jen Taylor reprising her role from the iconic video game franchise. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. Not hard to go there. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. The underlying basis of this article. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. The whole case is crazy. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as, To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for, Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared . A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. I wish she could get a new look. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. This whole tale is just unbelievable. I think that the US system is barbaric But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. Halo Infinite. 3. 4.Diane was NOT arrested for almost a year after the shootings the d.a. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. Inflammatory and speculative If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. Regina, I love your comment! http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html // Prison-happy U.S. must reconsider use of mercy; Carol S. Steiker, professor at Harvard Law School, Sep. 10, 2008 , http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html // US Prison Population Soars to 2.3Mln People at Annual Cost of $7Bln The US prison population has soared to 2.3 million people costing the government more than $7 billion per year. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. Is. Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. So appropriate! (LOL!! They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. WTF? But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. Not our place to decide. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. I have watched her parole hearing. The twosome first crossed paths in 2003 when Shahi. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. The innocence project gets so many requests and they have limited resources. But you sure did comment like a true asshole, huh? He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. (Appendix 81, page 1466). She even provided the police with her own sketch. danny also said a cartoon character shot themalso he was SHOT IN THE BACK how could he see the shooter????????? As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. By many accounts, her children adored her. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. Mr. But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. I am quite bothered by what happened in that courtroom and in the media. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. Thats the point. In her book, Ann Rule made sure to mention that running water was heard by a dispatcher when Diane was at the hospital; insinuating that she was washing her hands and getting rid of evidence. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. I didn't get tipsy, I'm pretty good at handling alcohol. Their theory was very shaky. I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). They were in a group home and he was getting unsupervised visitation with them. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? I will take a screen shot of the sketch. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. Also Im curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her deserving to be on parole. Hello. Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence.. My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. The fact that the accused in this case was atypical, makes her the perfect target. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. She has been denied parole 2x and is up again in 2020. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. 5. I was being sarcastic. Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. It does seem time has done worse to her. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. It was pitch black outside. I saw footage of Diane herself laughing during the re-enactment of the crime. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. It turned out to be a mistake because he was married to a County Circuit Court Judge who would become a colleague of Foote and he had no intention of defending Diane vigorously. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Just a thought. The case NEVER made sense to me. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. Is it the one you tried to use? Every single one of these questions matter. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. I hope she is granted parole. 3. You fail to mention what her daughter actually said about her communication with Diane, like Diane telling her that a very powerful person, a secret man, has been watching her, and that if she loved her son she would move away or else her son will grow up to be a murderer. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. They examined her clothes also. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). Reduces conflict because communication is limited. 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