The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. SHAME ON THEM. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Locked up. Blasczyk said she is pleased with the outcome of the case. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. The trial was taking so much of my time. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. Shes being well taken care of.. She hadn't lived long enough.". That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. They are total bs. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. Jerry Browns office. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Beautifully said Cliff! New state, new man. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. "I hope somebody gets their hands on you and hurt you and do everything you ever did to anybody. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. Stop. Both wanted to be doctors. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. How would an intruder find it? She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. "It's been an honor and privilege to stand up and be an advocate for Sarah. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. What a lame article. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Everyone lies. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Then you claim this is an opinion. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Have a tip or story idea? The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Especially mice! Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Very similar. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? The District Attorney got this one right. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Youll have to make do with what you see here. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Allen Prue told police he and his wife "wanted somebody they could play with," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren has said. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. 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The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. How so? She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. I dont think so. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or [email protected]. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. When they were getting ready to drive away, a police car pulled up behind them and checked their car. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. This story has been shared 114,982 times. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. A correction to the comment above. Patricia and Mark McCloskey, the St. Louis homeowners who pointed guns at protesters, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to weapons and evidence tampering charges. Media galore. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). This woman was obsessed and jealous. "You knew how the The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. THE COPS SET HER UP. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh-based NBC affiliate WPXI. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. Im dying. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Have you read the book? Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Carter can be reached at [email protected]. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. in journalism from the University of Southern California. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! She is a D-FW native with a B.A. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. The defense also criticized Irving Police and federal investigators, claiming they did not properly investigate the case or look for other suspects. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. Then international law enforcement was contacted. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. This is all BS.She did it. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Deal refused. Sorry not sorry. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Patricia is a evil monster. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. Weak wages. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). . The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. It's been a long three years for them.". Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. I think shes guilty for sure. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Am I missing something? Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Jenkins was a teacher at St. Johnsbury Academy. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. She won't see them graduate from college. They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. They are a joke. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? One on one? Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said.

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