Great times. Somewhere, communication had broken down so completely, that while the latter felt powerless to do anything about the situation, the remedies of the former only made the situation worse. Below are memories and stories about Govan posted by visitors to the site. Went back to show someone the building, but it was gone. The partnership works by: I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. Historically it was part of the County of Lanark. In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. Yup I'll always be from Govan even though we lived a bus ride with the messages away from it in Shieldhall, that was situated near to the 50 pitches, I remember well my Dad and me watching the shipyards football competitions. [31] GEC's Marconi Marine division already owned YSL (purchased in 1985) and VSEL (purchased in 1995). This striking omission harks directly back to Darners time in Moorepark where the community had no say at all in their right to a decent home, in a decent environment, and a decent standard of life.13, Private housing is at present being built on the site of the old Granary at Partick while across the river at Govans Graving Docks, the developing company Bishop Loch have been given permission to alter its original approved plan for the Docks of a hotel and 500 houses. he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. Create New Account. Introduction Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. Former. 199310 Scottish Charity No. Govan feels vibrant again. A later rebuilding was begun in 1884 and was opened 19 May 1888.[11][45]. My father was a chemist who worked for the SCWS. In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. I'm thinking I never whined at them again. 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. Does anyone remember Cuthbertson's dairies milk depot Vicarfield street Govan. By the 1860s, the village needed a higher order of administration and it was made a burgh in 1864, under the General Police (Scotland) Act 1862. Following the five convictions, the man who led the investigation, detective superintendent Joe Jackson, received several letters from grateful Wine Alley residents. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. Prihlsi sa. Site Number NS56NE 4994. The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. Laurel Brook. The first trade I learnt was stealing and gambling yet it seemed normal to all of us as children. Doublers; Rounders; Kick the Can; Ropes I could go on and on particularly with the little verses we once recited lodged in my brain still! Egg And Chip' 11/2. HP10 9TY. In May 1979, Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister and her ministry soon began its privatisation programme. MATT McGINN (1928-1977) A for a Pub Hoose Licence. Zabudli ste daje na prstup k tu? I grew up in Govan from 1946 to 1957 in Wick St. My family moved from North Uist to Govan to find work as did many others. My father was called up at the beginning of the War and my mother died when he was in Europe, I went to live with my grandparents on Wee Logie Street, I was 2years old and spent the rest of my childhood there until 1956 when I came to Canada with my grandmother to live with my uncle (my mum's young brother). Lastly, the reflections are intended to be used as a tool among the many Church, statutory, voluntary, and charitable organisations, to aid and encourage a fresh approach to the eradication of poverty in our lives today. The idea behind the hotel was to employ local people and to draw in money to the area. One was that there was no real attempt at involving the tenants in these changes, nor was there any attempt at involving the community in the future management of their own locale. We stayed next door to the Mellon's in 31 Rathlin Street for a short time, I was friendly with your brother Paul. My mother and grandfather raised me alongside my two sisters and three brothers and various in-laws who moved in and out of the home through the years. Maureen Doyle was my name then. Jocelyn Square. Memory says it was painted red but I might be wrong. Eventually, my dad arrived asking if anyone had handed in a wee lassie. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. My Mother took me to the Southern and a giant black man came in. Log In. Lots of memories too many to say here. [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. He also sold single woodbine cigarettes out the packet. When the car stopped at lights in Helen Street it was surrounded by the surveillance team who arrested the driver and seized the heroin which had a street value of 50,000 - worth 125,000 today. Delete. Therefore, the purpose of this Reflection is to make a contribution to the discussions on community planning and have the thoughts of people who have lived through other I was born in 1961. In fact, Glasgow Corporation was so determined to place many of the cities socially deprived into Moorepark that they even advertised for them in the newspapers. "I like to be challenged and Govan did that every day.". I would say about 90% of them never stayed in the winey they probably stayed kintra st, briton st, brighton st or clynder st etc but never the winealley. Brian McQuade, Reflection on Housing I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. pigella miraculous ladybug power. Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. Got in with the wrong crowd in Wine Alley,Govan, Glasgow,(Rab C Nesbitt Country) usual stuff to start with theft,housebreakings(Burglary to those from England), theft of and from motor vehicles, local gang wars etc, then got into some serious crime such as armed robbery, Gun running between Stranraer to Belfast, serious assaults(GBH), . The area was originally a country estate which contained a mansion house, Moore Park, which was built in the early 19th century for the Hagart family, to plans prepared by the architect David Hamilton. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britains most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley of Govan in Glasgow. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. A friend called Carol Slater. Almost went to St Anthony's primary. Does anybody recognise the name? I went to St Gerard's and I loved the kids there they were poor but happy. Their children's names were John, Michael, Christopher, Bridget and Edward. 124m Freshair Salon . We would have concerts and the money raised would organise a trip to the seaside for the kids of the area. The Catholic Church that was located in Stanley Street was I believe the largest Catholic Church in Glasgow and at one time had 5 resident Priests. I used to visit your Mum and Dad. Comments have been closed on this article. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie Street until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. My mother Josaphine Devlin and her brother Greg were born Drumoyan Street Govan. Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. An isolated island of cheap building land, Glasgow Corporation bought the Moorepark land and in 1934 built the Moorepark Housing Estate, a typical Glasgow rehousing scheme of three-storey grey concrete-block tenements. I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. They were followed there and back by a second surveillance team and the vehicle stopped near Ibrox. Pagini similare. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. My mum's brother Spinx (George Hewitt) stayed in Teucharhill and my dad's brother Alex Rodgers drove a milk float. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. Furthermore, although the new regeneration programme mentions housing quality and physical improvements as valid points in deprived locals, they are still regarded as unessential to regeneration. [11], By the 16th century, extensive coal mine workings had been developed around Craigton and Drumoyne. Media/news company. [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. Second, it encourage prospects for social inclusion by impioving living conditions and life changes while a third (indirect) factor is that, by working with authority, it can augment the personal development and enhanced confidence that participation can bring.9 Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? sau. In 1973 SNP won a by-election with Margo MacDonald as their candidate. My cousins and I thought we should try this. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. I have been looking up my family history and her father Michael and all his brothers and sisters were born in Govan between 1884 and 1896. Both my parents went to Greenfield School then Govan High. He stayed in Nethen Street and was born in 1931. When the sirens went for everyone to go to their shelters, our grandfather had to come and help her take us to St. Anthony's school (our shelter). Jack, Margaret, Frank, Gerry, May, Charlie and Kathleen, Annie Maguire's 7 children. With five suspected drug dealers in the cells and 200,000 worth of heroin seized, it had been a very productive day for the police. The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. 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I lived across from Fairfield shipyard and I saw ship being launched when l was about four, I saw Harry Lauder embark from a ship and he was the first person who told me I was a bonnie wee lass. The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council "modernised" it and tried to reintroduce the original n. Before leaving the area in 1975, Damer sent in his report on Moorepark to the Housing Manager of the Corporation of Glasgow where he attacked the Corporation for failing to do its job in managing and maintaining both the houses and the environment in Moorepark. It is in this context that he placed the above paragraph at the very forefront of his book From Moorepark to Wine Alley, The rise and fall of a Glasgow housing scheme, and it is also for the same reasons that this section of the Braendam Link Report investigates housing (especially in Glasgow), its problems, and how they could be solved by community planning. For instance, leaky, crumbling roofs were never repaired during the improvements nor were rotten, draught-causing window frames replaced while the backcourt midden arrangements remained as inadequate as ever. The Burnside gang were found with 150,000 in heroin and a large sum in cash. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! My mother was born at 68 Harmony Row in 1924, when she was about 10 she was sent to Dand's Drapers on Langlands Road to buy thread for a neighbour and got her finger caught in the door which resulted in losing the tip of it which gave her years of pain, on a lighter note on the subway to hospital she had to pace up and down with pain which resulted in her leaving the subway with her pockets jingling. 6 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 I was born at 61 Greenfield street in 1957 we lived above the dairy and I remember the betting shop. 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The church, situated at the west end of the village of Govan, and about 100 yards from the Clyde, was built in 1826, and is a plain structure containing 1096 sittings: the . It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. Saturday afternoons were for the matinees at one of the four movie halls; Lyceum, Plaza, Elder and Vogue. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. It was followed by an undercover drugs team down the M8, onto the M74 and over the border into England. We loved it there and had best times growing up in Govan, a great wee community and a great bunch of people, neighbours were great and we had lots of great friends to play with. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. I cleaned it up and he must have been watching, as he came back out to see if I had done well. My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. One day in the Summer, off we went to the Steamie, everybody went in, my Cousin and I stayed outside. Glorious Govan. My Aunt Marg and Cousin Debbie still live in Govan. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Glasgow Green Flagstones at Jocelyn Square in front of the McLennan Arch inform us that this was the site of public executions in the city until 1865. I was pretty sad when I left Govan and leaving my family was devastating to me. My Mum was Godmother to your brother and I was at your wedding. Town officials arranged for the deepening of the Clyde in 1759, the reclamation of the channels between the islands (The Whyte Inch, The Black Inch, and The King's Inch), and the construction of quays and docks. Dry Docks Cafe. Thus, Damer saw that this decision of loading more of the socially deprived into an existing deprived area, only added to Mooreparks growing problems of joblessness, poverty, depression, drunkenness and crime. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Poor health and low-levels of educational qualifications are offered as secondary parts of the equation. It was later in 1974 that she began her Stairhead Seminars in the so-called "Wine Alley" area of Govan which led, in 1976, to the Govan Project. First of all, they invited local and international designers to attend a three day team design effort to come up with imaginative projects that would redress the problems they had in their 3-storey, concrete block houses.7, The group then lobbied the City Council, the Scottish Office and finally Westminster, until they were eventually given the go-ahead to revamp one of the old blocks of 6 houses into model they desired. From terrace proud to alley base I know thee as my mother's face. Here in the alley, you will find tasting rooms such as Truth Teller Winery, Baer Winery, Ancestry Cellars, Adam's Bench and the office of Woodinville Wine Country. He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. Resources were stretched as detectives dealt with high levels of violence including murder - much of it drug related. Used to jump the dykes with my brother Kenneth. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. 3.75/4 3.75 / 4 (0 reviews) Staff Knowledge & Friendliness 4/4. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! Of all the memories that I hold dear as a very young boy, was the guy pushing a barrow every Saturday afternoon selling bags of whelks! Great memories of Summertown Road baths. But then officers were based in a more forbidding Victorian building about a mile away in Orkney Street. Mum married and moved to Whiteinch as a child and I remember going across on the ferry to Govan, Anyone recall my mum? Komunitn organizcia. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. [15], With Morris Pollok as its first Provost, the Burgh and its Commissioners ensured that during the next 48 years Govan became a well-equipped, modern town. Does anyone remember going out the back courts and jumping over them? As the rate of urbanisation has increased in the last 30 years, the government capacity to support the disadvantaged within this sphere has in many cases failed. 5 @AlanJParks" Finally, Darners last thoughts on a solution to Mooreparks spiralling problems were that it could be found in Community Planning. Amenities, Comfort & Cleanliness 4/4. Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. Life in wine alley I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! [4] In 1864, Govan gained burgh status, and was the fifth-largest burgh in Scotland. It was like growing up in a wasteland! It goes on to say that although bad housing design, and the allowance of dilapidation has been part of the problem, still housing is not the whole answer. This present attitude towards housing has serious implications for the future. Reading the posts recognised a few names. From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. I have memories of buying penny and thrupny canes there to make a bow 'n arrows. Govan was then one of 15 police divisions in the former Strathclyde Police and accounted for 20% of all homicides in the force. Clyde News. It was only a community concerted campaign, (which included a long rent strike) waged by the various groups of residents, that the Glasgow District Council agreed to re-house all of the remaining tenants. Not Now. Their powerlessness in this matter soon became clear when Moorepark was deliberately targeted as a dumping ground for Glasgows homeless, those on low incomes, and people with few housing points who were enabled to jump the waiting list if they accepted a house in the scheme. 14276 Southeast 176th Street. Value 3/4 . Knowing a house which was empty he pre-emptively sought approval from the council to use it as part of the operation. I still have a picture in my mind of your father Guido, a very handsome man. In reply to these petitions, the Scottish Parliament wrote to Glasgow City Council and to Scottish Enterprise Glasgow, asking for their responses to the submission and within 4 months, Glasgow Council had taken steps to set up the Central Govan Action Plan.16 Most of it has now been demolished to make way for an industrial estate. Would love to hear from you. Men and Boys by Hugh Cavanagh. In 1901 Govan was the 7th largest town in Scotland. People were in tears when that shop closed and I'm really delighted that I played a small walk-on part in a Govan institution! No1seems2care. Wall furniture and coverings, clothing, beds and bedding, carpets and furniture were badly affected by fungi while many of the inhabitants suffered physical illnesses related to the damp atmosphere, financial anguish at the cost of replacement and (in some cases), mental problems brought on by the worry caused by the above problems in the first place! I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill I've been back to visit my relatives several times, but the old places are gone. Impressed by what they had done, the European Community allowed an application for major funds, which matched by the City Council (and oth adherents), to such an extent that another 36 blocks in the estate were rehabililitated in the same fashion as the prototype.8, At this point, some may ask, if the residents of such a community could do so mutch themselves, why is authority necessary for community planning? I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man.

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